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So in answer to the specific question : Can an Orthodox, Protestant, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, pagan or atheist be subject to the Pope?that one true visible Church (for example, see Vatican II Decree on Ecumenism 3).JD I have conceded that possibility -- with a provision and a question.I accept that possibility provided that it refers completely and only to Roman Catholics and not at all to anybody else in the world.Forget trying to dance around words which have but one meaning, in order to establish a position which conflicts with that meaning.... Nor did I intend for it to have the conclusion that it does; I never intended it to be a call for you to convert from Catholicism. I just wish that I could afford the phone bill necessary to properly engage in the discussion that I think will result from this post." =========================================================================== Four Parts to this series: (1) The Unam Sanctam "Problem" Resolved: My Brief Answer (2) The Bull in Context: Pope Boniface VIII and King Philip IV (3) No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church: Historical Teaching (4) Primary and Secondary Sources Consulted =========================================================================== THE UNAM SANCTAM "PROBLEM" RESOLVED: My Brief Answer by Neuner/Dupuis, page 280-1 ======================================================================== I will now strongly state and summarize the objection in my own words and answer it briefly, then go into further elaboration of my answer. ANSWER: This is a non sequitur in logic, it does not follow at all that "all non-Catholics are damned" for a number of reasons.The objection also displays a misunderstanding of Catholic teaching and takes the Papal Bull out of context from history and theology.======================================================================== THE BULL IN CONTEXT: Pope Boniface VIII and King Philip IV Jeff Doles to P, Fido Net RCatholic 6/18/97 JD But if what Boniface said about subjection to the pontiff is true and it is *absolutely* necessary for salvation, then it is just as true for the time of the Protestants as it was when Boniface first declared it.
Forget trying to make the bull say something it clearly does not say.
For more on this issue, see Are Protestants Christians?
TURNING BULLS INTO BULL BY TAKING THEM OUT OF CONTEXT Third, in making the objection, the last sentence of the Bull must be taken out of context from its historical setting and Catholic theology.
FILE: Un Sanc / DATE: June-July 1997 / CONFERENCE: Fido Net RCatholic CONTENTS: Response to the common charge by some friendly Evangelical Protestants of Fido Net (Jeff Doles and Robert Mc Kay quoted in red) that there is a contradiction between the papal bull ) is discussed, evidence from current documents and the Church Fathers are presented -- I have to give credit and thanks to the contributers to this discussion: Lionel Bruce Binnie, Sean M. Cyprian, Ep ; PL 69; De Unit PL 9-536] Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: "Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church.
Brooks, Michael Brazier, and others for giving me some ideas how to deal with this issue. How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door.
The final statement of Unam Sanctam must be understood in light of the first statement about membership in the Church for salvation since But, Bruce Binnie has suggested that Unam Sanctam was addressed to Catholics and should be understood in that context and, as I understand Bruce, the point of absolute necessity should be withstood wholly within that context and not referring to anything outside of that context.